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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 16:06:00 -
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All I can say Eddz and Artegg is lets reel-out the chat log and let people decide for themselves.
Here is a link to the confrontation between myself and Artegg.
(warning this contains some strong language.)
Link
But it reveals the situation pretty much. What you will see is the immense frustration we have with Rona, Oberon, CDI, and the rest of the Northern Venal miners who were totally unprepared to either aid, or recognise the efforts of the southern fighting corps.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:35:00 -
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Its worth remembering Darth that these teamspeak discussions apparently contained detail of the Foresaken Empire demand that JF be ejected from the alliance as a precondition to the merger. Knowing fullwell that the price of negotiating a conclusion with these people was the sellout of an allied corp, the teamspeak negotiating team nonetheless considered the meeting a success, and returned to normal NVA channels reporting all their hopes for a bright and bountiful future.
Also, Gafton has been pretty frank in his statements elsewhere on these forums that in his opinion council democracy doesn't work and any kind of spying and dictatorship snap decision-making is valid in the cause of change and evolution.
Thats fine as a ideological paradigm, but it does make a sensible chap think twice at placing any value on the promises made now, and the agreements currently being offered.
Lets face it.
We had the stone cold protection of the charter all these people signed, yet it was discarded in a moment because of an extremely limited focus teamspeak discussion in US hours.
All else spoken by the TinA clique on this issue is nonsense and misdirection on the whole.
They are trying desperately to forget that they acted like dishonourable snakes shedding democratic skins for political convenience and mining wealth.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:38:00 -
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Jade as you have posted a link to the NVA forums i will post a link here that people can see i will state now that this log has not been edited at all.
link to chat
form your own judgements people from that.
AS you can see i told them a few times that i would teach Maud how to fined the hidden belts but my offer was not accepted.
Unsurprisingly Artegg, that is an editted log. You have snipped off the beginning and the end of that discussion?
Why did you do that?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:42:00 -
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ummmm I have already posted the complete log.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:43:00 -
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its already posted and has been since the discussion took place.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:45:00 -
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the sign up process is automatic and requires no moderator invention for access to the level at which the log is posted.
that will have to do.
If people care about the issue (or are just curious) I'm sure they won't mind.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 12/01/2004 17:45:30
Err and thats relevant because?
Arteg is hardly gonna post other peoples conversations?
It was an MIB conversation open channel. And you hence hardly a private conversation.
And whether revelent or not, I just wondered why Artegg top n tailed the "uneddited" log.
its hardly "uneditted" if you make a decision to snipp off the bits you don't consider revelant now is it?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:56:00 -
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Okay, artegg, lets just agree that I posted the uneddited log, you posted an editted version with the top and bottom cut off. If people just want to read yours they can read yours. If people want to read my more complete posting then they can take the extra step and read it in the old NVA forums.
Anyhow, now this stuff is in the open we can really have a ball.
In those logs you wrote this ...
[ 2004.01.09 15:33:39 ] Artegg > i ahve lost one ship in the whole war
[ 2004.01.09 15:34:14 ] Artegg > oh and that was to a ctd
So in the entire Foresaken Empire you have lost only one ship ... (and that was to a CTD)
Now, colour me stupid, but the entire NVA has lost hundreds of ships. Foresaken Empire have slaughtered fleets of our ships.
Jericho Fraction has lost dozens in action.
Yet you have only lost one. (and to a CTD)
Ummm, that kinda suggests either that you are a uber PvP pilot that Foresaken cannot touch for your godlike skills.
Or,
You are a coward and you let everyone else so all the fighting and dying.
Which is it?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 12/01/2004 18:13:33
Well Hicks ... JF has been accused by Artegg and others of your faction of not supporting the NVA with our ships.
But the truth is, we have fought and died and paid a very heavy price indeed.
Even the mealy-mouthed Artegg admits in that log that propaganda nonsense of JF non-participation is a lie.
Kurenin, although she left in under a cloud, sacrificed more to NVA than Artegg did.
Miso, though she has been roundly derided by your clique has thrown ship after ship into the NVA cause.
yet Artegg "saw" none of that, and saw "none of the JF pilots that aided the cause".
And strangely he never lost a ship (apart to a CTD) ...
Could that be because he was not actually trying very hard himself?
Because from where I am standing, it looks like we were a hellova more committed than he was.
And we sacrificed a hellova lot more wealth and materials to the war effort than he did.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 12/01/2004 18:14:34
Masor ... personal attacks mean nothing. You either need to bring some evidence or argument to the table or you are just trolling and flaming to no good purspose.
You admit in your words that JF fought and we fought hard, as well (if not better) as a majority of NVA member corps.
And yes, I know, the whole reason that JF was kicked is because a clique of NVA CEO's and officers decided they hated my guts.
Thats fine ... admit it. That was the only reason and knowing that, we can see that in the future these people cannot be trusted to keep aggreements when they decide they "just don't like someone".
And as for "parasite of an alliance".
Really? Read you own damn master's log.
We took nothing from Venal and gave our ships and isk and sacrifice.
Your chaps can't exactly say the same.
So tell me, who are the parasites ?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:23:00 -
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Hicks if you wanted this situation resolved then your side should have approached the business with a whole lot more respect.
Rather than trying to scapegoat JF and I with a lot of rubbishy propaganda lies and letting Oberon's L'enfant Terrible Halseth Durn loose on a character assassination hatchet job.
Your would have been much better served to table a round table negotiation between the NVA successors and JF and asked us if we were prepared to leave the alliance.
Chances are we would have said "fine."
We all know there have been a lot of problems and trust and respect have evaporated.
All this blame mentality and targetted anti-personnel nonsense just makes you look petty and vindictive.
As I said to Artegg the fact of the matter is that personalities in the NVA decided they didn't like me.
I stood in the way of their rise to power.
And my ideas for the direction of the alliance jarred against theirs.
Over the months your ideology has become stronger and stronger in the NVA.
And mine weaker.
You should have spoken to me and asked.
Not launched this ridiculous backstab and smear campaign.
JF has done everthing that could possibly have been asked of alliance members in support.
We shouldn't now be enemies, but with every fresh flame and personal attack your side digs itself deeper in the mire of hate and resentment and urge for vendetta.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:27:00 -
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Jade.
This isnt going well is it, you not got your normal prose on tbh.
Anything to do with your outbursts in that chat?
Why on earth do you get the impression this is not going well?
I have made perfectly reasoned statements and asked entirely reasonable questions.
I response I am getting flamed and shouted down and personally insulted ... and now your side is calling for pirate intervention to get the thread locked.
How on earth does that look bad for me?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:33:00 -
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Stop making out we dont like JF, or are persecuting an onnocent corporation, they are being "punished" because of your attitude, and the trouble you cause, kick you out, and they are more than welcome back, we would even share mining ops wih them.
Well you are hardly consistent even in your own rhetoric Eddz. First this was about Miso, then it was about Gan Ning, now it is about me. Lets face it, you guys just want a scapegoat to explain away your lack of success in warfare and lack of success in making an alliance council that can work.
I have heard all this before.
You blame "carebear" corps because Biomass whup you.
You blame "non-pvper members" because you can't drive away the enemy from mining ops.
You blame PR for the fact that pirates pirate your indies.
You blame recruitment policy for old venal traitors.
You blame open borders for pirates logging at Y-4.
La-di-da, its all about blaming someone else.
And guess what, I am a good target because you know you can count on the pirate chorus to back you up and the chances are I won't be back with a fleet of pirate battleships to humiliate you at the weekend.
Well done!
You have found a target you can score points at.
But lets face it, you don't look terribly noble doing it.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:37:00 -
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Guess what Eddz, when a cowardly fighter like Artegg and his "Zero valid ship losses in the entirety on the FE war" starts telling lies about the participation of one's corp mates in channel. Sometimes a little swearing is in order.
You think that makes me look bad?
I'm proud that I care about the reputation of my corp and corp mates.
And our reputation was being slandered by Artegg.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:42:00 -
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And since we are doing the chatlog quote game ... try this one for size.
[ 2004.01.09 15:14:32 ] Jade Constantine > i stopped paying attention when krullz started calling for corps to be kicked
[ 2004.01.09 15:14:58 ] Artegg > krullz was right corps should have been kicked
This pertains to the famous council meeting/jericho fraction labelled FE traitors weekend, where I came to MIB channel and protested the fact that CDI had called for the kicking out of all "carebear corporations" from the NVA.
Nobody in that channel was prepared to admit that I was telling the truth, and CDI had proposed that plan.
Yet, here we are, down the line and Artegg confirms that the whole bunch of you were appalling mealy-mouthed hypocritical liars and knew exactly what had been said and by whom.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 18:58:00 -
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Hence my use of the word "apparently" Pieman, since I haven't heard the recording in question.
I have on the other hand been told that the pre-requisite term for our booting out exists by many sources.
Some FE, some NVA. And when I raised the contention in discussion with NVA people it has never been denied.
Hence I consider "apparently" is good enough in this case.
Tell me Pieman.
Is my assumption wrong, have I been misinformed?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 19:06:00 -
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And what parts of that explanation were untrue Halseth?
(Bearing in mind I am quite prepared to quote your Eve Guardian article)
And as the challenged party to the debate I still accept, and still name moderated in-game chat my chosen (as the challenged right) location for the engagement.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 19:19:00 -
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First Halseth now me jade who is going to be the next target that you go for and is this going to carry on intill you manage to break up the new alliance because if it is then i feel very sorry for your fingers which are going to be working on overdrive to try to acheive a goal that you have made clear.
You know the sad thing Artegg?
I don't actually want you to fail. I don't bare a grudge for the actually events which occured. In a way i hope that many of the corps that have TinA will prosper and succeed.
You entirely miss the point of all this forum debate and nonsense.
You guys picked me as a scapegoat, booted my corp, and then unleashed Halseth to do a hatchet job on my reputation.
Thats not the kind of thing I can or will, stand and take. Especially not when you guys are totally in the wrong. And proveable so.
Its not the backstab that annoys me.
Its the pretence that you have any credibility and honour left.
You should admit that you are villains and relish it.
Gafton and Hicks already have.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 19:25:00 -
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You are asking the me the wrong question Artegg.
You should be asking ...
Why does a self-proclaimed NVA military leader take pride in his ability to avoid all valid ship losses in war, while the rest of the alliance gets slaughtered week after week?
A) Because he is a coward and avoids all combat (sitting in the background letting others fight).
B) Because he believes the art of fighting wars is not to lose any ships (and those that do are weak and stupid).
C) Because he doesn't understand how stupid claiming CTD as an excuse for a single ship loss makes him look.
And in conclusion.
I don't give a monkey's uncle whether you logged back in or not Artegg.
What does concern me is that you labelled JF cowards and non-combatents when we have lost dozens of ships in the fighting and you have lost only one.
I'd also like to know what 30 ships you personally destroyed as well.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 20:10:00 -
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Halseth, I donÆt care how many times you say it, you made a challenge, I accepted and now you are backing off. Continuing the charade makes you look stupid.
Masor, read the log, Artegg says JF never fought in earnest, which was a lie. If you think I have lied about ôanything at allö à then prove it. Just shooting the breeze and claiming you have something doesnÆt prove anything at all. And letÆs face it, you are scapegoating, you are blaming me for your failures, thatÆs pretty much what it means.
VÆger, I have done my best to make arguments and prove my points, I have presented facts and evidence to support what I say. There is a lot of flaming and personal attack here, but not from side of the argument.
Gafton, if you had done the stand-up thing in the first place this would not have happened. The scapegoating is that your allies blame me for your losing the war against FE. And yes, I quite appreciate that your personal animosity for me means you would have loved me kicked from JF. Fortunately for me my corporate allies are people of higher ethical standards than some of my late alliance allies eh? And as for personal lists no, Gafton, you admitted that you thought the democracy wasnÆt working and the coup was justified. I kind of respect your honesty for that.
And Artegg, like I said, I donÆt care how you lost your ship to a CTD. ThatÆs not the point. The point is exposing your hypocrisy in claiming we didnÆt contribute when we did. Hate me all you like, I am happy for you to use that for your justification for getting rid of me. But I wonÆt let you use the lie that JF was not actively contributing.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 20:47:00 -
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We can go back and forward with this forever Halseth. There is no way in hell I am going to submit to your demand for me to use a 3rd party tool to conduct a debate with.
We are playing Eve-online. Its a game. I am entirely prepared to debate with you in open channel and have the results posted for all to see.
I am not prepared to have my out of game voice recorded and broadcasted.
I have my reasons (doubtless you have your assumptions as to what they are) But they must remain guesses and assumptions because I am not prepared to share aspects of my out-of-game identity with you.
So, you want a debate, lets have a debate.
But I don't think thats what you wanted is it Halseth?
What you really want is to score cheap points by making a challenge for me to come onto teamspeak. You know that this thread will like fill with idiots prying into my out-of-game privacy and attempting to wreck the fictional personal of Jade that I have spend a fair bit of time and energy developing.
You can't debate these things because you know you are in the wrong.
So you go the path of the pirate wrecker.
Well done Halseth. Best you call in Viceroy and Stavros and Dontius Tarris to finish the job.
If this thread gets as messy as the "two other wrecked and locked threads" on the subject, then once more you can slip away from the subject of the challenge you are scared to meet.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 20:54:00 -
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Honour isn't dead Captain Blood, its just a lot more difficult to find than people think.
Look at DB Preacher and Reikoko as an example. They signed the NVA declaration of Principles, they signed the Charter. They have remained loyal to the word and spirit, and they have not joined this new TinA alliance because it was formed on the premise of abandoning those principles and ditching an ally through simple politcal expediency.
Honour exists.
But it needs treachery and dishonour to shine in contrast.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.12 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 12/01/2004 22:48:34
So would you say you totally disagree with Artegg's position in that now infamous chatlog Halseth?
And understanding how totally he misrepresented the JF contribution to the NVA I assume you understand how totally apt my response was in this context?
I presume that is not a difficult logical leap to make?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.13 01:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 13/01/2004 01:19:54
Look Artegg, my advise to you is stop posting and let Robeyone handle this situation. He is a guy of great maturity with the wit to understand that resolution is a game of give and take.
You lied in multiple places in that chat-log.
You contradicted yourself continually.
There is no credit for you there.
(Now i have to get back to asking some more questions)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.13 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 13/01/2004 01:31:58
You should know better Artegg.
Here are some of your lies in that chatlog.
[ 2004.01.09 14:41:06 ] Artegg > jade come on i have not seen jericho defending for about 2 months
This one is easy, because you contradict yourself within a few lines.
[ 2004.01.09 14:58:16 ] Artegg > i have seen one jericho ship defend this region
See! If you can't be consistant in the same conversation how much credibility can you expect?
[2004.01.09 14:58:46 ] Artegg > athule is the only ship i have ever seen
Oh really.
[ 2004.01.09 15:08:10 ] Artegg > sorry i have seen maud fight
So thats 2 then?
[ 2004.01.09 15:08:47 ] Artegg > and i saw kurenin fight once
Up to 3 now.
[ 2004.01.09 15:11:11 ] Artegg > i have seen 2 ships from your corp fight
Umm no, you were on 3.
[ 2004.01.09 14:42:20 ] Artegg > we have made rona totally broke by fightiing this
You think so? Or is "totally broke" the teeniest little exaggeration?
[ 2004.01.09 14:48:55 ] Artegg > we are protecting what we signed up to protect we have nothing to gain by fighting in ec-p8r in fact we have everything to lose from it
Except the transit route to empire for all Rona ships. That any local resident of PB will know.
[ 2004.01.09 14:49:41 ] Artegg > we have been fighting the whole time
Even during the times you were mining or hiding? A likely story. FE seem to tell a differnt tale.
This next one its good, its an example of you lying just because you are in the habit now.
[ 2004.01.09 14:50:27 ] Jade Constantine > there is just a fundimental gulf of understanding here
[ 2004.01.09 14:50:43 ] Artegg > no there is not
Oh I think there is.
[ 2004.01.09 14:56:24 ] Artegg > i care about the people who help us
If you cared dear chap you might acknowledge the words Miso spoke on the subject.
[ 2004.01.09 14:56:58 ] Artegg > you do nothing except make people hate this alliance because of yur forum bull****
Really, nothing except that? Perhaps you should have spoken to a few people beyond your clique.
[ 2004.01.09 15:26:46 ] Artegg > no jade people where telling to to attack camped gates
Ummm, no they weren't.
And here again a prize example of your gut-reaction lying by reflex.
[ 2004.01.09 15:28:03 ] Jade Constantine > Raven de Blade had a perfectly sound idea for a fleet structure
[ 2004.01.09 15:28:18 ] Artegg > and i agreed 100% with him
[ 2004.01.09 15:28:22 ] Jade Constantine > and the industrialists torpedoed it
[ 2004.01.09 15:28:28 ] Artegg > so what is your point
[ 2004.01.09 15:28:33 ] Jade Constantine > because they didn't want to pay a defense tithe
[ 2004.01.09 15:28:55 ] Artegg > we where never asked
How could you agree with Raven if you were not asked?
Really Artegg this is too easy.
I won't warn you again. This debate has only pain and death for you.
Leave it to Robeyone, you are fatally compromised by that Chatlog.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.13 02:25:00 -
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Looks to me like Jade is over and Done with!
Good to see that other ppl has come to see her
true face!
Lol, you are so wrong m'dear, its just a matter of evolution and progressive change. Lets face it, the constant Venal war was not very exciting. Time for something new.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.13 03:40:00 -
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You should have got Cormyat to post in place of your "truth" diatribe Halseth. He has a much better grasp on the situation than you.
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DD Seriously. So you admit the rest is clear example of Artegg lying then?
lol.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.13 04:19:00 -
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So you are telling me Artegg told the whole truth in that chatlog?
Even after I have illustrated the obvious textual contradictions right here in a previous post?
Perhaps Taker was right to think you were a few nuts short at christmas.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.13 04:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 13/01/2004 04:28:24
I have told these people at length that you were there a helluva lot Serak. But they seemed to develop selective memories when it came to justifying their backstabbing.
Its doubtless a trait that future "allies" should watch out for ... I hope you are listening Darth! Make sure you get your timesheet stamped and signatured from Rona (or it doesn't count)!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.13 04:35:00 -
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But DD, if you accept Serak's words then you accept that Artegg is lying.
Its that simple.
You can't have it both ways.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.13 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 13/01/2004 05:26:30
Here is why Robeyone. It is because JF and I have been accused of a lot of things, and a lot of murky slander has been raised against our participation and involvement in NVA matters.
Now I'm not one to allow lies to go unchallenged. But I am quite prepared to hear people say, "I'm sorry, I was mistaken on that point.".
That is the kind of language reasonable people use.
I make mistakes. I make lots of mistakes. And when I make them I apologise and move on.
Artegg made lots of mistakes.
I don't hear an apology.
Halseth has made lots of mistakes.
I don't hear an apology.
While the air is not cleared, its difficult to be forgiving on the issue of smears against my corporation that are baseless.
DD is a prime example.
He acknowledges Serak's role extensive role in the conflict out of one side of his mouth, while telling us that Artegg has a thousand times the credibility that I have. (Even though Artegg is on record as saying that he has only ever seen 1 JF pilot in the Venal Region.).
Is D'Artagon his alt? Then Serak has flown in the gang with him.
Thus he is either lying or he is mistaken.
If its the latter he should come and apologise for the misinformation he has spread about JF. And the false accusations that he made.
And with regard to the simplest point, that he made one allegation and then corrected, its not that simple. He made one statement, corrected, corrected again, corrected again and yet again. But still wouldn't accept the point that his entire understanding of the situation was critically flawed.
Lets not even start with his lying about accepting the defense funding proposal and then saying he had never been asked about it.
Basically Robeyone,
Artegg is not a reliable witness. He isn't a good debator, he can't even stay consistent in a single conversation. And yet his is exactly the sort of testimony that saw JF and I demonized in the NVA.
Now yes, that era is gone forever.
But I will not stand for slander and smear on the way out.
Lets say goodbye. Goodluck, whatever.
(But as I keep saying I will continue to defend our name and mine from these last word-willies and their parting stabs).
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.13 05:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 13/01/2004 05:40:55
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Well that last post just about proved my point. I'm sorry darth 
No DD, it showed that you are trolling to get the thread closed. Unless you have a point to make ... or you are prepared to explain exactly why mr Artegg is a "thousand times" more trustworthy than I am (despite having authored a chatlog full of half-truths, contradictions, slander, and outright lies) for our entertainment and edification, then the only reason you would seem to be here is to throw stones and try to have the last word.
But seriously, I would like to hear you justify your opinion. You have been abusive and hostile to me in NVA chat for a long time now. And you certainly took the CDI side in the spying scandal DD.
When exactly did you decide to start putting the knife in ?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.13 06:35:00 -
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So Taker insulted your intelligence and I'm not trustworthy? Thats it? No allegations, no evidence, no proof. Just you got upset with a former JF member so now you don't trust me when the evidence of Artegg being a snake is black and white?
Thats pretty special DD.
And let me say it is pretty representative of what the NVA became. When people like you refused to condemn CDI for conducting routine sabotage of reputations and trust between alliance members then things were definately going wrong.
Do you remember that night DD.
When I came to channel asking who had betrayed the moderator rights at the forums we hosted for the alliance? And people swore blind it was a JF faction spy. Then when I told you of the CDI plot to oust the alliance "carebears" in a coup you all refused to believe me. You said I was lying.
Funny that it turns out I was telling the whole truth all along. That a moderator broke trust. That CDI planned the booting of NVA "carebears". That Shark and Krullz were playing you for fools.
Its all come out in the wash DD, like I told you back then it would.
And all the lies and abuse and sexual swearwords that I had to endure in that channel have been proven to be nothing other than a cynical smokescreen to hide the fact that the people you respect in NVA are the most appalling snakes of all.
And here you say I can't be trusted.
What a laugh.
There is only one thing I can't be trusted to do.
And thats take all this crap sitting down witout telling you chaps whats what, and who really screwed the pooch NVA-wise.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.13 14:02:00 -
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Wow Inkz, thatÆs an honest position and a half, its one I have known about for some time, and letÆs face it, its nothing IÆm ever going to be able to argue against. ItÆs certainly your right to enforce a mandatory team-speak only roleplay-free alliance council. And sure, in the terms you have defined I sure as hell donÆt fit in.
Sheesh, boy, did I ever join the wrong alliance!
My opinion of whatÆs decent and worthy in Eve is a direct polar opposite to yours it seems, lol, where I love the mystery and variable of character roleplaying it seems you chaps consider it anathema.
ItÆs quite amazing we didnÆt have a falling out before now.
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I'm sorry as much as you like role playing etc, you don't make friends by it, because you're not a real person. You can't be friends with someone that doesn't exist. Jade doesn't exist, hence you will never fit in.
IÆm cut to the quick Inkz, (well not really), but tell you what, makes to mucho glad we are out of dodge. ThatÆs a scary attitude for someone like me. Lucky I guess, that ôJadeö is all you will ever know of me.
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As for any backstabbing etc, you know that's rubbish, you can't backstab someone that doesn't exist.
Let me clarify, am I a special case, or does this include anyone in-game who has not told you their out of game personal details and shared laughs during the boys-night-in-teamspeak special?
Or to clarify, do your promises only hold for people you know by out of game name and have ditched ôthe roleplayingö nonsense for?
End of the day,
Your comments do make future debate on this entirely pointless.
Could I ask you to get your corp and anyone who feels the same as you do to do me a favour and ignore my existence in the game world from hereon please? There seems to be no point even wasting text with interactions that so badly miss the respective bases.
IÆll keep responding (with in-character voice) to things I perceive as slurs against me and Jericho.
If you want it to stop then get your guys to shut it and ignore me. Probably for the best all round.
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Posted - 2004.01.13 14:16:00 -
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Well done Lara, you certain stay consistant with the level of TinA debate.
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1. thing Where some CDI in chat said some thing about kicking out the carebear and ppl picked it up and discused it. This is now held against the hole CDI corp by jade every time there is a argument or discussion.
Thats because it alienated Jericho Fraction from the NVA and represented the philosophy of inter-corp sabotage and spying. It was never addressed by the NVA council (unsurprisingly given who dominated it) and thus was a disease that was never treated. Put simply Lara, if you can't trust your allies why have them as allies?
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2. the document leaked by jade from the private forums.
Excuse me, says who? I personally think Hal could have leaked that doc to up his own self image.
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Halseth had a view and idea about it wrote it down to voice it and for other to think about, after some discusion it was agreed that it wasnt they way to go. but what does jade do she leaks it and uses it to try to personal damage Halseth every way possible when things dint go the way she wanted.
Yep, that just about typifies the TinA penchant for unsubstantiated allegation and smear and you parrot Halseth's words on the issue quite accurately.
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wow exactly what i was thinking 
anyway i think its kinda simple jericho is a trade corp as i understand it and not a mining corp and trade in venal aint to big so why should they be in the alliance sense the have no interest in it as it is now.. more trade in empire..
And you know the really stupid thing Psy Corp ... if you guys had come to us a week ago and said, "hey jade and jericho, this roleplay thing really sucks and the deal is, get on teamspeak or get lost" ....
We would have walked.
And none of this argument would have happened.
It has been driven entirely by people trying to come up with spurious justifications for how Jericho was failing the alliance. When the truth of it is expressed in Inkz words pretty much perfectly.
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 13/01/2004 15:13:42
I know all this Inkz, its not news. Its been like this for a long time. I'm completely happy to leave it as I said to Robeyone in the other thread, but your side has to accept that this is a fracture of aspirations and game methodology and nothing else. Neither I nor Jericho "failed" the NVA in any way, we just didn't, as you say "fit in" with the new intentions you sought.
Problem here has been the torrent of hate and nonsense from the TinA people. Its been a wave of X Y Z excuses as to why this happened when your summary is about all that was needed and is the most honest of all.
Easiest way to sum this up. Quit biting me and I quit kicking you.
I honestly have no interest in interacting with chaps that don't roleplay their characters to some extent. If this ain't roleplay, its personal hate, and thats just not worth getting involved in. I do draw the line at people burning each other's houses down over a game ;)
At the last though, we could easily have stuck with my in-game rationalisation of "ideological differences" ... thats pretty much what it is.
That would have avoided a helluva lot of nonsense.
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Lara Janoz, no I did not send Halseth's article to Eve Guardian. You have my word on that.
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 13/01/2004 15:55:30
Come on inkz, either I am entirely to blame and the rest of Jericho are blameless or what exactly? This is getting confusing. Lets leave it at the fact you guys hate my roleplaying focus and move on.
Bringing Miso out of the cupboard as the ultimate responsibility and object of blame at this late stage isn't helping to put the rant fest to bed.
Miso had every right to say what she said in a private corporate forum.
You had no right to abuse the moderator rights we gave as a gesture of trust. (you meaning NVA not you personally inkz)
You want to play the blame game this will go on forever.
Stick to the line "its a non-roleplay teamspeak lad's only council alliance" and that clears everything up quite nicely.
Oh and Lara Janoz.
You are right, seeing Halseth's article on Eve Guardian was a godsend. And I was very happy that it torpedoed the dishonourable plan of merger with FE. To my mind Eve Guardian are pretty much filling the role of investigative journalists outing nasting political corruption and sordid deals. My hat is off to them and its nice to know that though we have been purged there are still honourable people in the new TinA alliance. Yes I do know who sent the article and no I am not telling ;)
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You work it out Lara, CDI have spies in every corp, you should be able to figure it out sooner or later.
Ta ta,
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